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Rear brake linkage

Post  Challenger on Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:28 pm

Hi all, does anybody know how to make a rear brake linkage for a villiers 197 sun.
It has a left hand side drum but a right hand side lever. Bit of a headache. Or does anyone have a linkage for sale. Thanks
Sorry. Right hand side drum and left hand side lever. Itís been a long day.
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Post  keith livingstone on Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:21 pm

Hello
Firstly welcome s to the forum and to the fun world of Villiers powered machines.
Secondly good to find you're almost local as I'm just down the road in Portadown.
Certainly not a night for being outside fiddling in the garage.

Getting to the point of answering your queries;
Although Villiers powered, Sun just like many other tried to make it stand apart form other ans so each manufacturer has their own take on the design of the cycle parts.

You don't say what age or model of Sun you have but i'm guessing from your login it's a Challenger? †What model of Villier's engine powers it. 8E 9E or a twin?

I have an early 50's FB Falcon and James Captain both 197's 8E's. See Pics. They share none of the same cycle parts except the forks. †Initially i made my own chain guard for the Falcon. †

Dare I say it but it's worth checking the British Two Stroke Club website / joining.

Best wishes
Keith

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Re: Rear brake linkage

Post  Challenger on Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:51 pm

Hi Keith,
Iíve got a 1956 sun challenger mk5. The engine is an 8E. Been building from basically a frame and back wheel. Now have quite a few more parts but they seem to be very scarce! Dropped on a front wheel and engine recently and just got some mudguards. The tank I have needs slightly modifying as itís not for a mk5 which has the bigger tank.
A bit of braising some new lugs should do it.

Clive
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Post  keith livingstone on Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:14 pm

Hi Clive
Good to hear you're making progress. †My FB started out a bit like your challenger.
Was speaking to one of the guys in the Thirties (old bikes) Club last night who has a Sun. †His is a slightly younger model the Wasp with a 9E engine and leading link forks.
As you're only down the road in Lisburn it would be good to catch up after Christmas.
Send me a text to 07513 565609 and I'll get back to you in the New Year.
Best wishes
Keith
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Re: Rear brake linkage

Post  Challenger on Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:59 pm

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Post  piston 197 on Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:21 am

Pretty sure i have a sun frame kicking about, i will check to see if there is still the rear brake on it ?
Normally there is a pedal with a round bar which passes through the tube behind the vertical saddle tube, on the end of the round bar there is a square milled on and a lever held to this with a male thread and nut, this lever has a brake rod back to the rear brake arm.
Similar to how the rigid FB and James did it when sprocket and brake plates were on opposite sides of the wheel.

Will have a look in the next day or two and see if the brake is still on the frame i have ?

JH
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sun front wheel

Post  Challenger on Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:44 pm

Thanks piston 197,

I donít suppose you know if I need spacers in the front wheel of a challenger or whether itís just the mudguard stays that are the spacers. When the cone nuts I have are tightened fully there is still thread left on the spindle.

Thanks, Clive
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Wheel spacers

Post  piston 197 on Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:48 pm

On the Metal profile forks like the ones you have fitted to your Sun there are sleeve nuts which go though the holes in the fork bottoms and the sleeves are the correct length to clamp up the wheel rigidly.
These forks are also used on DMW,DOT and Cotton.

I will look tomorrow to see if there is still a brake mechanism on the frame i have ?
JH
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Re: Rear brake linkage

Post  Challenger on Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:15 pm

Thanks again piston,
I think may be the spindle in the wheel I have has been replaced with a longer one as if I tighten up any more I think it will snap or strip the threads. But yes I have the sleeve nuts and they go through holes in the forks ok. Nothing is ever simple.
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Sleeve nuts

Post  piston 197 on Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:22 pm

Normally the sleeve nuts are domed headed and the end is blind, so if you tighten them fully the spindle should not reach up to the end of the thread inside the sleeve nuts, if the spindle is too long, then the spindle will bottom out inside the nuts , it could well be the spindle that is too long ?
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Brake mechanism

Post  piston 197 on Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:45 am

Sorry had a look this morning, no brake mechanism or pedal on the frame i have

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Re: Rear brake linkage

Post  Challenger on Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:58 pm

No worries Piston thanks for looking.
Does it have a chain guard or anything else usfull as I am looking for any and everything for my sun challenger 1956.†
Clive
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bARE FRAME

Post  piston 197 on Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:00 pm

Bare frame, just swing arm and a worn pair of shocks, nothing that you have not already got sorry
JH
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