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Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:15 pm

Does anyone have any pictures of the right hand side of a 94 scrambler that is opposite to the exhaust side?

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FB Scrambler 94

Post  FB vincent on Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:08 am

Is this what you want - from Bonhams sale catalogue?

There are good photos of both sides (I assume that this is an original Scrambler 94, but the experts may know better).

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https://www.bonhams.com/search/?q=francis%20barnett&main_index_key=lot#/q0=francis%2520barnett%2520scrambler&MR0_length=50&MR0_display=search&m0=0?q=francis%20barnett

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Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:02 am

Hi Vincent,

Thank's for post but,

Would be what I wanted but I think this is John Harding's bike which is not a 1965 94 but a 1959 83?82 Replica . Alloy Rims ,Modified exhaust on wrong side Mod swinging arm, break pedal, seat, no chain guard, wrong tank & cap ,wrong wheel hubs.  So still looking I am afraid

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Scrambler 94

Post  piston 197 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:30 am

You are correct it is my bike ( now) was not at the time of the Bonhams sale, it was entered and failed to sell !
And you are also correct in the fact it is a recreation with the wrong bits as you describe .

It was built from an AMC bike by Doug Wheeler motorcycles many years ago in an attempt to make the bike competitive with Cottons etc with the starmaker engine, it is a fake, but a period one .
I have never seen a genuine FB 94 although i have seen the James version , same bike, different colour ,different badges. When Chris Horsfield, Mick Andrews etc rode them in the TV scrambles , they were all badged James

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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:41 pm

Hi John,

It's Amazing the history behind these bikes!   Chris Horsfield was a friend of mine went to school together.  Such a shame he died so young.

I am still looking for a Trials or Scrambler frame to go with my Starmaker engine & other parts I have

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Post  piston 197 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:52 pm

Peter , i will keep a look out for one for you , not seen one lately, i have just sold a James one, but this was their own 1959 frame with Matchless AMC forks, before they used the FB frame, so would have been no use to you as this frame only ever housed an AMC engine.
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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:58 pm

Thanks John

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Post  FB vincent on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:49 pm

As per my reply, I did state that '(I assume that this is an original Scrambler 94, but the experts may know better)'.

I can speak with authority on the very late 1950/early 1960 road going FB's, but my memories (and ownership) were limited to the roadgoing bikes of the time, not the Scrambler/Trials FB' s.

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Scramblers

Post  piston 197 on Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:55 pm

If you google" Chris Horsefield James motorcross images" There are pictures of what a real FB94 looks like ( although it is badged James)from the Trials central forum
I have sent Peter these pictures as it clearly shows both sides.
Not radically different to my "replica" but certainly differences are present, most notable the original bike has the villiers designed flat "Kipper" silencer

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re james scrambler

Post  john thomason on Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:07 pm

i remember sammy miller developing and rideing the james starmaker in approx 1962, he rode it in the northern center at kendal[westmorland motor club], next day he rode at bassenthwaite, nr keswick, came off and was injured,i think that was end of,sammy rode well.the starmaker being a new engine sounded at the time different, but went well very competetive he gave the top riders a good race.

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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:05 pm

Hi John,

Thanks for the info I will talk to Sammy whom I know and lives 5 miles from me

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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:02 am

Hi Ken,

I have that brochure it's a bit to early for the Scrambler 94.

But thanks

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Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  MoscowFlyer on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:34 pm

Hi Peter, is this the right one? Mike



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Post  piston 197 on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:56 pm

That one looks to be a correct one albeit in James red with FB badges, if you look closely you can see the full width 6" alloy "motoalloy" British hub wheels and the cross over brake system, these are the same hubs as used by Greeves,DOT and Cotton. As far as i know this was the only FB in the range to use these alloy hubs.
My replica has the original AMC steel hubs, and it is something i intend to change when i drop on some decent wheels .
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Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  MoscowFlyer on Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:59 am

Hi John, glad it's the right model, I have this shot of the left side too. I think I'll make one of those independent stands for my off roader. Mike

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Post  piston 197 on Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:35 am

Looking at this side it appears to have a slightly different silencer to the production ones which ran the "kipper" shaped silencer that Villiers supplied with the starmaker engine, otherwise pretty much as should be, just in James colours
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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:23 am

Hi Mike & John,

Thank you for the pictures & info great help explains the rear brake & wheel hubs but gives me another problem trying to find the bits!

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Post  piston 197 on Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:40 am

Hubs turn up regularly as used by most British trial two strokes circa 1964-7
Sprite, Cotton, Greeves DOT etc, front hub also used in Matchless G2 CSR and AJS 14 CSR, rear brake looks to be no more than a bushed tube welded to the back of the frame for a shaft for the brake pedal to take the actuation to the other side of the bike, Silencers were also used on Sprite and Greeves ME
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Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Dec 17, 2017 2:18 pm

Hi Peter, glad you like the photos, there is an article which accompanied them, I have sent you a PM. Mike
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Re: Francis Barnett Scrambler 94

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:47 pm

Hi John,

I would be very interested if any member or yourself of course comes across the hubs,

Interestingly on page 176 of Arthurs Book it shows a tapered Silencer on the sales brochure?

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Silencer

Post  piston 197 on Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:22 pm

Peter i think that is the Starmaker "Kipper" silencer but the flat side is horizontal and shows the tapered side view ? the Cotton and Greeves used them vertical, the Sprite used them horizontal , but underneath the frame .
I have Emailed you some more ( confusing ) pictures
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