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Post  bill2b on Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:07 pm

Irenes Plover is going well as you can see on the video in General chat. We have fitted the Electronic ignition kit from Villiers with the lighting coil. I did possibly rather naively expect it to be able to cope with a halogen headlight bulb, but it does not. It runs 13 plus volts without lights, 12.9 with the side light but 10 ish with the lights on Embarassed Embarassed Could there be an earth problem? I need to look at the Light switch as it is the direct lighting type and possibly could be a problem there, but before I start ripping out everything, should I expect a constant stream of electrics pumping through Felicities veins or is it likely to be a little trickle?
Possibly one solution could be, will it work with an LED bulb? We wont be using it for night work but would like to keep the lights on normally.
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Post  john87 on Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:38 pm

What is the wattage of this bulb you are trying??

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Post  bill2b on Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:24 pm

I think its around 60W so I think it may be too much to cope?
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Post  john87 on Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:05 pm

You have answered your own question there.. The original bulb is something like 24 or 36 watts, so a 60 watt bulb is never ever going to work..

On mine it is still 6V, and all the original bits, and wired as the makers intended. I am MORE then happy with the lights. They are just as good as on a modern 125 bike..

I would put a standard bulb in and see how you get on..

What you using as a rectifier and how is it wired??

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Post  bill2b on Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:42 pm

John
We are using the Rectifier that came in the Villiers electronic ignition and lighting kit. I have to say we are pretty impressed with the kit, it was easy to fit and the bike starts first kick every time hot or cold. We have fitted LED indicators as well and they seem ok. We went for our first duel trip today, me on the Bonneville. The little bike went really well.
Just need to sort out the electrics and we will be happy
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Post  kerabo on Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:41 pm

I have the same sort of problem. At first I thought it was a fault but after talking to VS it seems the lighting coil is quiet weak. Mine will run the lights on 12v but only at 1/4 throttle upwards. I put he bike away at the moment but plant to fit all LED bulbs and think this will do it.
Not that impressed with hat part of it
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Post  Andrewwoey on Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:10 pm

Does the kit information give you an output current rating? If not, then ask for it. You can then work out what bulbs you can run.

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Post  bill2b on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:19 pm

Thanks Ken and Andrew, I will contact the makers because it does not show on their website, Sounds a bit poor though, LEDs here we come.
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Post  kerabo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:44 pm

They don't want to know. Say it all got to be done through VS the agent for all things Eletrex on Villiers.
If you look at the coil it's very small so wouldn't think it has a lot of power.

Mine had a choice of 12 or 6v just by cutting a wire. If you go Neg earth you can use Led Bulbs

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Post  bill2b on Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:57 pm

Ken
We have gone 12v and negative earth, we have LED indicators etc. Irene is going to visit a vintage dynamo place in Saxilby that do H4 LED bulbs that are only 1.8w she will also get a LED tail light, that should do the trick lol.
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Post  john87 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:01 pm

There is nice of them [the makers].. Happy enough to make and sell the stuff, but ask them a question and they will not help. Nice quality stuff then from a reputable firm [not]

All you can do really then is just load the thing up and measure the voltage. Be carefull when there is no load as the voltage might be very high...

Oh, nearly forgot, and never ever buy another one...

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Post  bill2b on Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:12 pm

But John
I bought the kit from Villiers Services who are a reputable company who sell for this other company! I must say the Electronic ignition side of things is excellent and works a treat. Its a shame the lighting side of things would appear to let it down.
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Post  Andrewwoey on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:10 pm

That is a surprise. Not a great advertisement for them especially as they do seem to have a good name for themselves. It also surprises me that they sell these kits without any data. I have just put a new stator in my tiger cub and made my own loom. The Lucas stator was 10A 120w. That's all the information you need to help you with the rest of the set up.
I hope VS can help you with the information you require. You don't want to work the system to hard.

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Post  kerabo on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:22 pm

Andrewwoey wrote:That is a surprise. Not a great advertisement for them especially as they do seem to have a good name for themselves. It also surprises me that they sell these kits without any data. I have just put a new stator in my tiger cub and made my own loom. The Lucas stator was 10A 120w. That's all the information you need to help you with the rest of the set up.
I hope VS can help you with the information you require. You don't want to work the system to hard.

I will just go Led all round, even with the headlamp in its only about 10w all in
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Post  john87 on Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:27 pm

With an LED bulb, do they still have main and dipped?? How do they get the "filament" in the right place so the pre focussed function works??

Are they legal??

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Post  bill2b on Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:08 pm

LEDs still have main and dipped, you get them the shape of all the usual bulb holders including H4. The last comment "Who Cares about the government telling me what I can and cannot do. Very Happy Very Happy
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Post  Andrewwoey on Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:19 am

If you are running AC on the lighting circuit, you will have light flicker. LED's need DC to work properly.

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Post  bill2b on Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:10 pm

Andy, all run through a battery so no problem there.
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Post  bill2b on Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:12 pm

Got a reply from Electrex, Thanks Peter Houghton



Hi Bill
The lighting coil for the STK-960 has a maximum output of 55 watts when connected as an AC system, i.e. no battery fitted and just an AC regulator.
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Post  john87 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 6:50 pm

Wonder what a villiers one is?? If they say a max of 55W then about 30W of bulbs i would say and a bit for the battery..

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Post  bill2b on Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:01 pm

John
Do you mean the original Villiers twin coil setup? I have no idea, 55w sounds plenty I think, as long as your not daft enough to fit a 55w halogen headlight bulb Embarassed Embarassed Very Happy
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Post  kerabo on Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:36 pm

bill2b wrote:Got a reply from Electrex, Thanks Peter Houghton



Hi Bill
The lighting coil for the STK-960 has a maximum output of 55 watts when connected as an AC system, i.e. no battery fitted and just an AC regulator.
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That's not bad. That should manage mist bulbs.

Mine has a small battery so guess you loose half of the phase with it being rectified?

It's a strange setup when going direct as I think it has a box that does something

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Post  bill2b on Tue Dec 05, 2017 7:55 pm

Ken
The original 6v system had a direct lighting system, it also had a little rectifier for battery supply. I saw recently someone selling just such a rectifier on ebay, describing it as a direct fit for FB, James etc etc, he was charging 5 plus. If you put the number on this rectifier into a search engine you can find it for about 90p lol.
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Post  john87 on Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:13 pm

Now there is an idea!! If instead of running one end of the lighting coil direct to earth, you brought it out of the magneto and connected BOTH ends to a bridge rectifier and then earthed it AFTER the rectifier, you could have full wave rectification!! If you had two of these diametrically opposite in the magneto you could end up with 110 Watts!!!

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Post  kerabo on Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:25 pm

john87 wrote:Now there is an idea!! If instead of running one end of the lighting coil direct to earth, you brought it out of the magneto and connected BOTH ends to a bridge rectifier and then earthed it AFTER the rectifier, you could have full wave rectification!! If you had two of these diametrically opposite in the magneto you could end up with 110 Watts!!!

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Is that not the same? Your just insulating it from the frame. With bulbs and direct it will work both phases but needs to be rectified to charge a battery.
I think Very Happy

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