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motorcycle identification

Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:29 pm

hi!i write from Italy mi name is enrico!i found this bike but i am not sure about the model.
i will post some photos hoping you can help me to find the right identification!
sorry for my english! thank you very much!

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:31 pm



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Post  kerabo on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:35 pm

Nice Find.
I am sure someone will tell you. Do you have any frame or engine numbers
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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:47 pm

other photo

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:49 pm



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model identification

Post  keith.hodgenia on Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:38 pm

Hi Enrico, my guess would be a "model 5" sometimes called "sports model" fitted with a 172cc super sport engine and a 3 speed gearbox and maybe made in 1925. It's a nice machine I am very jealous. Keith.

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:44 pm

thanks for the information!
tt letter in the engine means tourist trophy?
it was a tourism or race bike?
tell me if you need some other photos!

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:35 pm

Your machine has the Villiers Mk1 tank mounted automatic oiler, this was fitted to both the 1928/9 model 5 sports, and the 1926/28 model 9,( later model 9 machines have a separate oil tank)

The model 5 would have been fitted with a 175cc super sports engine with No beginning TL and the model 9 would have been fitted with an engine No beginning BZ
as your cylinder say TT I would guess it is the Model 9, frame No is stamped on the headstock, I can give an accurate year date of manufacture with this information

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:40 pm

i hope you can see the number in this photo!

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:41 pm



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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:47 pm

its a rare bike? in italy I've never seen a model like this!thank you for your answer!

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:49 pm

Yes as I thought a BZ prefix which pins it as a Villiers 172cc supersports TT engine, the No 1067 suggests a build date of 1927,
check the frame No on the headstock, for this year I would expect it to be between 12000 and 15000

either way it looks to be a model 9 sports, ( the Yamaha RD of it's day!)

Probably very rare in Italy, but a good few survivors here in the UK

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:52 pm

but it wasn't a race model,it was a tourism model you think?

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Touring /Racing

Post  piston 197 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:58 pm

No just a sports road bike, the racing version came later and had the Brooklands tuned engine, the model 9 could also be ordered with the 196cc super sports engine.
The Brooklands racing engine had an aluminium cooling jacket with finning shrunk onto the cylinder, a massive carburettor and a tuned high compression engine with polished internals.
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Re: motorcycle identification

Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:07 pm



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Re: motorcycle identification

Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:12 pm

where cal i found some advertise or catalogue of this bike? why tt letter?
there is a pump for the oil circuit inside the engine?
sorry for all this questions but here in Italy really few people knows something about this bike!

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1927 Model 9 sports

Post  piston 197 on Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:17 pm

Yes exactly what I was expecting, ( 12000 to 15000 range) it is a 1927 Francis Barnett model 9 sports,

best book is "Francis Barnett the complete story" by Arthur Gent, readily available on Ebay at prices ranging from 14 to 21 depending who you buy it off,
if you look on Ebay under my Ebay i.d. (piston197) you will see I currently have a cylinder,head and manifold for this engine for sale , not that you are likely to need one if yours is OK ?

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:20 pm

for what i can see the engine should be ok! i'm looking for a front number plate and the air pump for tyre!

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Post  enrico on Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:28 pm

you are really very expert about this brand!thank you

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1927 Model 9 Sports

Post  MoscowFlyer on Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:51 am

Hi Enrico, I've put a picture of the model 9 front end so you get the number plate correct, I will also put a picture of the rear number plate. Mike



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Re: motorcycle identification

Post  enrico on Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:36 pm

fantastic!thank you very much!for now i have to clean all the bike because its very dirty,than i will try to make it work! for the gasoline and oil at what percentage?

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Post  piston 197 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:41 pm

This machine is automatic lubrication, so neat fuel in petrol tank and a straight 30 oil in the oiltank, the oil also forms some of the crankcase sealing in the main bearings, so DO NOT run it without the oil system feeding oil, if it has been stood for some time it might be worth checking the oil pipes are clear .
You can run a light mix of oil in the petrol if you wish, but it should not be necessary ?, it will not feed the bearings or act as a seal, the automatic oil feed from the oil tank takes care of this
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1927 Model 9 Sports

Post  MoscowFlyer on Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:53 pm

Ciao, nessur problema, bella bici. Mike
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Post  piston 197 on Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:55 pm

Bella Bici,
Nice Biscuits ?

good for dunkin in your tea !

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:09 pm

Yes John biscuits, when I was in Sorrento there were wonderful biscuits. At least I had a go! Mike
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