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Post  ronfranklin on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:24 am

Can you please help me to identify my Francis Barnett, I believe it is a Falcon 67
Year of manufacture was 1954. it has been in bits for the last 30+ years, the number on the frame looks like HUV 69621 the "H" is not so clear all I can see is two vertical lines. other number is 4582X and I believe the last number is either 13 or 18
I believe the original colour may have been Azure Blue?
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Re: Starting renovation

Post  Cruiser79 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:47 am

Had a look in the Goddard book and theres no HUV frame number. Could it possibly be a worn/pitted "UUM" prefix? Which would make it a 1954 Falcon 67 series 2 with front wheel journals. Engine prefix letters 387A, Villiers 8E.

I'm just reading that from the book though and know little about the frame numbers, John will no doubt be along shortly. He knows this stuff inside out!

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Falcon 67

Post  fb62 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:00 pm

Engine number may also be prefixed 376A for an 8E with a four speed Albion gearbox on the model 67. If the frame number has a 'B' after it the bike was painted blue at the factory if no postfix the bike was black. As per previous reply John Harding is the man for identifications.

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Post  ronfranklin on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:05 pm

Many thanks for the information, much appreciated, had a look on the engine all I could see number wise was Pattern no 531839 on the gear box cover and across the engine mount 12998F* on the side of the engine it is stamped SID and above this is the number 17T on the cylinder head it reads D35
Excuse my ignorance  with these number's but I have not looked at this bike for over 30 years, its going to be interesting trying to remember how to re build it!
*Above this number very faint is 387A


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model 67

Post  fb62 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 12:14 pm

Engine number is on the crankcases beneath the exhaust port.

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Engine No

Post  piston 197 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:37 pm

The engine No is
387A/
12998E
?? never seen one with an F after it , probably a weak stamped E??

387A is the coding for a Villiers 8E motor supplied to FB for a falcon 67

The frame No should be either starting UUM or UM if originally a blue one there will be a B after the numbers
i.e. UUM12345B

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Re: Starting renovation

Post  ronfranklin on Thu Oct 20, 2016 11:22 am

Many thanks to all, I believe you are correct JH it may be a weak E
Can anyone help direct me to where I could locate two plastic bellows for the front forks (falcon 67) also will be looking for an exhaust pipe and silencer.
In addition I have a smiths chronometric S.480/3/l which needs refurbishing any ideas where I could send this for overhaul.
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bellows

Post  piston 197 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 2:19 pm

Go to a motor factor/ Halfords and buy a front wheel drive steering rack gaiter kit, I have used Girling universal kit No TBR1000 in the past
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Speedo

Post  kerabo on Thu Oct 20, 2016 5:41 pm

ronfranklin wrote:Many thanks to all, I believe you are correct JH it may be a weak E
Can anyone help direct me to where I could locate two plastic bellows for the front forks (falcon 67) also will be looking for an exhaust pipe and silencer.
In addition I have a smiths chronometric S.480/3/l which needs refurbishing any ideas where I could send this for overhaul.
Thanks
Hi Ron
When you say chronometric your not talking Francis Barnrtt?
I thought the Chronometric was the completley gear driven speedo fitted to bigger bikes?
If that's what you mean I will look up where I had my Sunbesm one rebuilt but they are not cheap.
Regards Ken

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Post  piston 197 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:48 pm

Ken, have to put you right again !
FB's used chronometric speedos on various model prior to 1955 in both "D" shape ( mostly 122cc bikes) and in the 3" round instruments ( mostly 197cc bikes)
Magnetic 2" units were used from the falcon 70 of 1955 onwards

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Re: Starting renovation

Post  kerabo on Thu Oct 20, 2016 6:52 pm

[quote="piston 197"] Ken, have to put you right again !
FB's used chronometric speedos on various model prior to 1955 in both "D" shape ( mostly 122cc bikes) and in the 3" round instruments ( mostly 197cc bikes)
Magnetic 2" units were used from the falcon 70 of 1955 onwardsJH[/quot
That's fine John. It don't supprise me but I have not seen one on anything I own

Ken

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fair point

Post  piston 197 on Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:00 pm

I do not own a Rollex watch
, but I am sure they exist ??

I do have a Chrono speedo on My falcon 60, have one on my falcon 62 have one on the ISDT bike,and have a Merlin with one too, but my 1955 cruiser has a magnetic
I think the only FB you have before 1955 is a Powerbike ? , and they did not require a speedo as they were below 100cc

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Speedo repair

Post  kerabo on Thu Oct 20, 2016 7:17 pm

Ron.
The person I used was John Heywood but have a feeling he may have retired. I think he sold the business on but a quick search found these people.

http://www.chronometricspeedos.co.uk/

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Speedo Repairs

Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Fri Oct 21, 2016 2:08 pm

Hi Ron,

Try A.E.Pople He has done several speedo's excellently for me 01252329826 mobile 07824884434 Coachworks The Vehicle Centre Aschurch Road Aldershot. GU12 6LX

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Speedo repair and rear light replacement

Post  ronfranklin on Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:49 am

peter@dunfordconstruction wrote:Hi Ron,

Try A.E.Pople   He has done several speedo's excellently for me 01252329826  mobile 07824884434  Coachworks The Vehicle Centre Aschurch Road Aldershot. GU12 6LX

Peter

Thanks to all for the response, I have contacted both www.chronometricspeedos.co.uk/ & A.E. Pople hopefully can get this sorted soon. The speedo may have been added to the bike by a previous owner, I was surprised to see the calibration is up to 120 mph whereas the max speedo of the bike is I believe less than 70 mpa.
I noticed that the rear light is not an original therefore if anyone knows where I could buy one from that would be most helpful.
Sorry for all the questions but I am living out side UK and finding places where I can source various components from is very difficult
Once again much appreciate your support.

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Rear light

Post  piston 197 on Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:03 am

The falcon 67 for the UK market was supplied with a bolt on tin hump, covering the mounting for the older style model 58 rear light, this was to mount the Lucas 529 rear lamp ( readily available on Ebay as a repro part), if you google "Francis Barnett rear light hump images" there are several pictures of the light mount .
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