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Falcon 67 rear light query

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Post  Tony Rickwood on Mon Jun 27, 2016 4:26 pm

Finally putting the bike back together after so many years. The original rear lamp/number plate has completely dissolved and try as I might, can't seem to locate a replacement. Trouble is, all the photos I've come across show a different lamp assembly. The closest to mine looks like that on a Merlin rear mudguard. Was there any crossover? Mine's a 1954 model...
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Post  Bigjim on Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:06 pm

I have a 55 spares list for the Falcon 70 it has the Lucas 529.  Lots are about, all replicas.  Try Paul Goff or Villiers services  about £15.00 from Paul
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:12 pm

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's the lamp. The part I can't locate is the shroud behind it. On many models, it's quite broad. On mine, it's narrow and tapers up the mudguard. I was toying with the idea of cutting down a BSA Starfire unit as it looks close. Bit fiddly though...
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:55 pm

This is about the best picture I could find. Gonna be difficult to locate one I think...
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/131516454
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Post  peter@dunfordconstruction on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:44 am

Hi Tony,

Send me your E-mail And I will send a picture for you

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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:47 am

Thanks Peter. I'm tonaidh@gmail.com
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:29 pm

Got your picture Peter. Thanks very much. It would appear that my rear light was an unmodified unit. I presume the mentioned regulation refers to needing a stop light. I'm pretty sure my rotted unit was a single bulb and the wiring diagram shows a brake light as an optional extra. So, that's clearer now. Now, where can I get hold of one of those shrouds? ☺
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Post  Bigjim on Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:14 pm

Tony Rickwood wrote:Got your picture Peter. Thanks very much. It would appear that my rear light was an unmodified unit. I presume the mentioned regulation refers to needing a stop light. I'm pretty sure my rotted unit was a single bulb and the wiring diagram shows a brake light as an optional extra. So, that's clearer now. Now, where can I get hold of one of those shrouds? ☺
Brake light law is an odd one,in that it was a retrospective one. So even if your bike left the Factory without a brakelight, post 1937? bikes need them.  Hence why many repro lights now have them built in, but look correct.
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Post  john87 on Thu Jun 30, 2016 3:44 pm

Hi there,

I just bought one like it from a firm called "feked" Not sure what you mean about a "shroud"?? The thing comes as a complete assembly complete with the rubber backing part. They do BOTH versions, one for a single filament bulb, and one for a twin filament for in the event you have a brake light..

http://www.feked.com/electrical/lights-and-lens/tail-lights/

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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Fri Jul 01, 2016 6:13 pm

Here's my problem. The original lamp assembly was almost completely rotted away, only the bulb holder and the number plate intact. There is a triangular impression on the mudguard and this is the part I can't seem to find. The lamp itself was, I'm sure, a type 529, but I can't see how the number plate and lamp assy. all fit on.
http://www.panoramio.com/photo/131607766
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Jack Clegg on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:47 pm

You need the "rear light hump" as JH calls it. They are hard to find. The lamp screws into it & the hump bolts onto the mudguard. The triangular bit on the guard was to fit the early type rear light unit, superseded by the 529 & hump. The hump covers the area so no-one was the wiser. JH has had them in the past & I sold my last one to a bloke in NZ. TTFN Jack
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:53 pm

Thanks for that Jack. Now I have a name for it! I could probably make one if I could find a decent picture. Keeping stuff original is a real pain... ☺
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Rear Light Hump

Post  PeterW on Sat Jul 02, 2016 5:34 am

I've just been in contact with JH (piston197) re obtaining the same rear light hump for my Kestrel 66 and he has some available so suggest you give him a "shout"

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Tony Rickwood wrote:Thanks for that Jack. Now I have a name for it! I could probably make one if I could find a decent picture. Keeping stuff original is a real pain... ☺
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:03 am

Thanks you Peter, I feel some headway being made. In truth, it'll probably be one of the last things I do to the bike. I'm at the frame done/rolling chassis stage at the moment, ready to tackle the electrics and the mysteries of the selenium rectifier! ☺
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Post  piston 197 on Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:31 am

Sorry do not have any of the rear humps to convert the Falcon/ Merlin, the item Peter refers to above is a complete number plate/light mount assembly that was used on the Kestrel 69 and will convert the Kestrel 66, this is not the hump assembly that was a retrospective fitting to cover the triangular rear lights on the Merlin and Falcon to enable the fitment of the Lucas 529 rear lamp.
The profile of the Kestrel and Falcon use different profile rear guards.
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Sat Jul 02, 2016 6:40 am

Very useful information. I'm going to have a good dig for some detailed photos and see about making one. Wonder when someone's going to cotton-on to 3d printing bits like this. Just a thought... 😊
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Post  piston 197 on Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:15 am

I sold one recently on Ebay item No391475136410, if you google" Francis Barnett lucas 529 lamp mount images" you can see the pics
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Post  Tony Rickwood on Sat Jul 02, 2016 8:26 am

Very good. That's given me something to think about. Thanks to everyone for the advice. Very much appreciated.
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Post  Bigjim on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:07 pm

Tony Rickwood wrote:Very good. That's given me something to think about. Thanks to everyone for the advice. Very much appreciated.
It looks quite simple to fabricate.  The beading is readily available.  Good use for CAD (cardboard aided design).  Blue Peter stuff, take a cornflake box a pair of scissors, have a responsible adult available and a tube of rubber solution glue.
You could post the outline of the cardboard on the forum for others to make, or ask about and see what a small batch would cost to get made.  There is a man in Essex, CW Classics who is very good at this stuff.  Someone might lend you an original to have copied. http://www.cwclassic.co.uk/
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:17 pm

My thoughts exactly! I work at a fish hatchery and it's all very make do and mend. Keeps life interesting. I'll have a tinker once I've got the bike a bit further on...
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Post  Bigjim on Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:23 pm

Tony Rickwood wrote:My thoughts exactly! I work at a fish hatchery and it's all very make do and mend. Keeps life interesting. I'll have a tinker once I've got the bike a bit further on...
Any further with the Carboard Aided drawing?
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Sun Jul 17, 2016 1:43 pm

I popped into work this morning armed with a replacement 529 light and the rear mudguard. I've now got an assembly mounted on the sub-number plate and next job is to make the hump. Should be pretty straightforward. One thing to note. As I've created the whole assembly, it'll likely differ a bit from the original, but will serve the same purpose. Should look pretty good once it's all painted and sealed.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#user=7653813&with_photo_id=132001169&order=date_desc
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Post  Tony Rickwood on Sun Jul 17, 2016 6:37 pm

First paper template...

http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#user=7653813&with_photo_id=132010729&order=date_desc
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Post  piston 197 on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:24 pm

Yes excellent job and will do the job, but on the original the hump was used to mount the light and the No plate could be removed to draw the wheel out from the back without disturbing the rear light, so might be worth cutting the No plate under the light and attaching the top part to the hump ??
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Re: Falcon 67 rear light query

Post  Tony Rickwood on Sun Jul 17, 2016 7:34 pm

Good point- and one I overlooked! Not a problem to make the modification though. With the absence of a physical pattern to work from, I'm having to wing it. Should end up a tidy job though.
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