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Post  maloon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:21 pm

[img:0a69]http://www.servimg.com/view/19340804/2][/url][/img]

can you help me id this bike. i can only find the frame casting number 4285 x mb and cant for the life of me find a frame number on the headstock. which side should it be on and is it on a raised casting?

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Post  piston 197 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:40 pm

The frame No should be stamped in the L/hand side of the headstock, this frame was used for the Merlin57,Falcon 58 and Falcon 67, ( only the Falcon 67 had tank badges, but looks like the tank does not belong to the bike )?
these bikes were made for the 1952 to 1954 season
frame and engine No will clarify ?
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Post  maloon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:35 pm

thank you JH. is it left hand side sitting on the bike near the casting numbers? the engine is 387a (197cc from what i have learnt)

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Post  piston 197 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:09 pm

Yes that is the side, LEFT HAND side , same as the L/hand side of the road we drive on , on the left . confusingly the engine No 387A is a coding for a Villiers 197cc engine with a 4 speed gearbox fitted to a Francis Barnett Falcon 58 series II and a Falcon 67, but yours has a 3 speed gearbox ??
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Post  maloon on Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:18 pm

just making sure on the lhs thing lol. will get back at it tomorrow to see if i can find it. not sure of the gearbox yet? will check for marking on it tomorrow as well. it should be a good friend for my other wee bike
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Post  Jack Clegg on Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:12 am

Looks like a Model 67 to me. I may be wrong, but 387A should be a model 67 with 3 speed & 376A the model 67 with 4 speed. Frame number should begin UM or UUM, but sounds like it's gawn. TTFN Jack
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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:10 pm

I think it's a Falcon 67 too, the rear shocks look right and also the tank. How you can tell, there is a slight bend in the top tube of the frame, it looks like the bikes had a front end shunt, but it was put in at the works to alter the steering head angle. Read about it in Arthur's book page 131. Mike
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Post  maloon on Sun Oct 18, 2015 12:32 pm

http://www.servimg.com/view/19340804/4][/url]

could you tell me more about the headstock repair? there appears to be a bend in the frame on the top and bottom bar

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:17 pm

Hi, that's interesting, it only mentions a bend in the tube under the tank, but looking at it, you would need to bend both tubes, looking in the spares book a slight bent can also be see on the down tube too. Mike
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Post  maloon on Sun Oct 18, 2015 1:23 pm

looks like an accident bike? thats why i was wondering if it had a headstock replacement as i cant find a frame number. there is a blob of blaze just above the frame casting number which doesnt look like factory finish. the frame was orginally black

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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Oct 18, 2015 2:34 pm

Without the frame number you can't be sure of the model or the colour. Yours is a natural assumption when seeing these bends, wonder how many owners straighten the frame. I wouldn't read to much into the blob of braze, these bikes were made on a busy production line. As for the missing frame number, your bike could have been stolen at some point in it's life and the number removed. What we need is a Falcon 67 owner to look at your frame and see if it looks right, the angle of the steering head should be 26.5 degrees. Mike
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Post  piston 197 on Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:16 pm

There is every chance your frame was bent in the factory and was a Falcon 67,
The Falcon 58 had a straight frame and a head angle of 28 deg.
The falcon 67 frame was tweaked on a jig after manufacture to give a 26 1/2 deg, head angle
All 67 frames appear bent ( unless someone has straightened them)
Agreed there is no fame No so possibly a replacement frame, or removed in the past ?
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Post  maloon on Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:21 pm

thank you for the help. going to try hydrochloride acid to see if i can lift an imprint of a number as i cant see any evidence of the usual grinder marks. will need something so i can get it registered

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