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Front wheel woes...

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Front wheel woes...

Post  AlanGoodman on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:24 pm

I removed the front wheel on my 1962 Plover to inspect the brakes and for some strange reason it won't go back together!!
The spindle nuts tighten up fine but there are gaps between the wheel and the forks - It looks like there are washers missing or something but I'm sure all the parts are there... Very strange!
Does anybody have any bright ideas?
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Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Sep 20, 2015 7:04 am

Hi, here is the front wheel removal and replacement, taken from the Plover instruction manual, hope this helps. Mike

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Post  AlanGoodman on Sun Sep 20, 2015 12:23 pm

Thanks Mike,
Yes, I have the book and that's what I've been trying to do - One problem is in tightening up the left (brake) side spindle nut I can't seem to stop other bits turning which messes up wheel bearing adjustment. When I get that side tight and then tighten up the other spindle nut there is still a big gap between wheel and forks.
I wondered if the threads inside one of both spindle nuts may be damaged so they aren't going far enough on but I can't find a source for new ones at the moment.

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Post  kerabo on Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:11 pm

If you bike is like most other Barnetts it has a wedge jamming the wheel nut tight. One of the nuts needs to be free to centralize. So pull the side next to the brake plate tight and let the other centralize. That means the wedge on the mudguard stay knocked back and free. It should go all the way in and then the forks can centralize and you can then tighten the wedges up. You may even find the nuts are different lengths

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Post  AlanGoodman on Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:38 pm

Many thanks Ken!
That makes sense - I'll give it a go

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Post  AlanGoodman on Thu Sep 24, 2015 1:47 pm

That was certainly part of the problem!
Both spindle nuts go right in now but I can't find any way to get it all tightened up without the wheel bearings going so tight that the wheel won't turn.
If I back them up then applying the brake gives nasty noises...

Driving me nuts! Expect to see it on Ebay soon... Crying or Very sad
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Post  kerabo on Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:48 pm

Most have a spacer between the bearings so doing tight has no effect
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Post  AlanGoodman on Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:57 pm

Ah - I haven't removed the bearings so that is possible..
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Post  piston 197 on Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:31 pm

On the fixed spindle type there is a larger diameter between the bearings which forms the spacer, occasionally there are shims on this to make up the difference, The bearing should not go tight as the nut pinches the centre only between the large diameter of the centre portion of the spindle and the nut . Only the knock out spindle type has a loose spacer between the bearings, yours should be the fixed type of spindle with a nut at both ends ?
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Post  AlanGoodman on Thu Sep 24, 2015 5:38 pm

Yes - fixed spindle with the strange spindle bolts at each end. They are both the same length as far as I can tell. The recessed nut was previously fitted the wrong way round so that the recess was up against the brake rather than allowing the spindle bolt to go inside it.
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Bearings

Post  kerabo on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:18 pm

Has your hub got loose bearings like in the picture?
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Post  piston 197 on Thu Sep 24, 2015 6:37 pm

Picture above is the older plover 73/78 set up, yours should have roller bearings in the 86, the recessed nut being the wrong way round will have been the problem, the recess has to face outward and the spindle nut locates into it.
Drawing above should not be relevant to your bike ?
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Post  AlanGoodman on Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:06 pm

Drawing above is scanned from the original handbook that came with my bike... Mine looks exactly like that (1962 machine).
The recessed nut is now the right way round but still no joy I'm afraid.
Away racing pedal cars over the weekend but will have another look next week before giving up and looking for a large skip... Very Happy
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Post  piston 197 on Fri Sep 25, 2015 4:56 am

Yours must be one of the last ones with the cup and cone bearing, they changed in 1961 to roller bearings, the cones have to be adjusted to give slight free play and the lock nut done up to set and lock before refitting the wheel
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Re: Front wheel woes...

Post  AlanGoodman on Fri Sep 25, 2015 5:51 am

Yep - I do that but when I try to refit the wheel , it all goes pear-shaped again.
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Post  piston 197 on Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:15 am

Suggest you remove the spindle completely and check fitment of all threaded components, there has to be a damaged thread somewhere, because once the one cone is tightened to the end of the thread, the other one should be adjusted for end play and the lock nut done up. These should not move when the wheel spindle nuts are tightened, obviously they are, so there has to be a damaged thread some where causing the spindle to turn ? All threaded components, cones , lock nut, wheel spindle nuts should be able to be screwed onto the spindle by hand without binding, if this is not the case then taps and dies will be required to restore the thread .
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Post  AlanGoodman on Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:21 am

I agree - If parts were available I would just replace the whole assembly.
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