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Post  the-oz-slider on Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:28 pm

Time flies, I have been at this for almost five years and didnt realise it.....
I have bought parts from the UK of course, New Zealand [three virtually complete bikes that I picked pieces from], Australia and Canada for consumables. I had a set of footpegs and brackets lazer cut, along with a spare set, did the painting myself, rewired it with the help of my son, had the brake shoes rebuilt by a local industrial friction coater, and spent far more hours than I should have trying to get all the nuts and bolts standardised and perfect.

The bikes is not concours, but is intended to be a nice little around town rider for my 11 year old grand daughter. I know she will cherish it as a nice memory of her grand father when I go to that great dirt track in the sky.......
Once I get the new exhaust from Villiers, throw in some gas and oil, she's 99% finished, with the exception of a few details I will correct this winter when the damn snow is flying.

Not too bad if I must say so myself
Al Gill
Edmonton Canader, eh....

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Post  the-oz-slider on Wed Sep 11, 2013 4:40 pm

Oh, I almost forgot, can someone tell me what to look for, or even sell me, the top nut off the steering stem? And does anyone have a decent sized schematic or a hand drawn facimile of all the bits and pieces that make up the steering stem system both under and above the top plate? I seem to have far too much play and not enough bits to make it all fit together properly.Sad
Thanks
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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  Jack Clegg on Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:51 am

Lovely little bike. I'm sure the g-daughter will love it.

The steering assy was a bit of a bench fit. Various washers/shims can be fitted.
Just fitted my Model 67's in this order:- Top race with dust cover, big nut, thick washer, top yoke & finally the top capped nut. I think I may be missing a washer under the top nut, but basically you should fit the race, washer & big nut, adjust play, then fit top yoke & see if there is a gap. Fill gap with a shim. My top nut when tightened had a small effect on steering play, so had to back off the big nut a little after fitting the yoke & top nut. JH may have the top nut you need & will doubtless correct any errors here.
Armours is best for exhausts.


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Post  the-oz-slider on Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:43 pm

Thanks Jack,
Yes, I will do the bench fit route again......seems like I have done an unseasonably high number of those make-it-up-and-try-it sessions on this bike. My local Brit bike shop [John Oland at Motoparts in Edmonton] has been really helpful with bits and pieces, including cable stock to make my own cables, nuts and bolts and assorted stuff.......
I had the seat redone by RK Leighton and they did remark that the seat was 'very blue' but it ended up looking pretty good I thought, with all the blue and cream bits ...nothing really looks out of place.......although the purists may think otherwise, my grand-daughter loves it, and thats all that counts at the end of the day.

I ordered a new exhaust system from Villiers Spares and have had some difficulty getting what I paid for, but they have promised me that it will be shipping this week, so I do remain hopeful that it is the correct one......
If anyone does have the correct top nut for this bike I would greatly appreciate an email or call to [Canada] 780-217-0694.
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Post  this old bike on Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:02 am

well i am going to have to stop over for a looky loo
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Post  the-oz-slider on Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:14 am

Hey everyone,
I have gotten into a dispute with Steve at Villiers Spares. I ordered my new pipe and muffler from him, and unbeknown to me they dont sell the correct system for my bike.....why didnt I know??? Well when one does an internet search for Francis Barnett exhaust system, the first company name that comes up is Villiers Spares.....and I have had good dealings with them in the past so had no reason to question the web search results. And VS didn't advise me they don't sell the system I need.

Soooo, on July 8, 2013 I paypal 144.83 in Lizzie funds to Villiers and advise them that I want a complete system for a Falcon 58. Then there is silence for weeks and weeks. Eventually I get a response from Steve at Villiers and he tells me I have ordered the wrong parts. Says he has them and will send the correct parts. Even though Im suspicious, I thank him for the [eventual] advice and ask him to advise me when the parts will be shipped.........

Many weeks after that I make a complaint to paypal advising that I have not heard from the supplier and the parts have not arrived.

Steve demands that I withdraw my Paypal complaint which I reluctantly agree to do.

Eventually, in early September Steve advises that he has the parts coming in 'this Friday' and wants more money to complete the deal. Worse he has been yapping back at me when I questioned the ethics of taking the money out of my account way back in July and now it has degraded to him claiming he will sell the parts to charity and refund my money which would of course I'm sure, be less a pile of deductions of his doing..

My question is -this seems a bizarre response from an allegedly reputable company and I suspect that some of the responses have been fueled by gin late at night...but with that being said, does anyone out there know if "Steve" really exists, or am I being scammed?
Let me know please if anyone could shed some light on this? I have an impeccable record of purchasing all across the globe and this is just an absolutely off-the-wall situation that I cant grasp how a reputable company could take the money out of my paypal account way back in July when they didnt have the parts, and not understand just how dishonest and unethical that is..........
And I spent quite a few hundred Lizzie this year with VS, which makes "Steve's" responses even more irrational.
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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  Jack Clegg on Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:21 am

Join the club mate. We're all getting BS from VS. JH puts it diplomatically as "victims of their own success", which translates to piss-poor service. They are soooo busy, that everything is suffering, wrong, missing or pikey-pattern parts are going out, very late deliveries, you name it, I've had it. Expanded beyond their capabilities to provide good service it seems.

ARMOURS for FB exhausts, can't be beat. Des Heckle recommended.
Nametab for Villiers spares, if available.
However, VS has the monopoly for much FB stuff, rear sprockets for one thing, so one can't burn all bridges.
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Almost Finished

Post  tbird on Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:05 pm

Poor oz-slider
I think the club is finding it hard to get the spares that we require.

What with Bantam John and now Villiers Services, they both have the parts we want but it is so hard to get them, they have the monopoly, but what can we do about it ????
I am lucky I don't want anything at the moment.

Regards and hope things improve.

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Post  the-oz-slider on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Well I gave up today and paid VS more money and it appears as if by magic, my parts will [allegedly] leave for Canader tomorrow.......
But I dont have them yet.....Surprised
Sadly I dont think this is the end of this by a long shot.
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Post  piston 197 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:05 pm

I personally have never had any problems with Villiers services, but then again I have only ever used their core business of engine parts, This is what they started to do and do the best .
I have never availed my self of their wheel building, engine reconditioning re chroming, ,re boring , brake lining, seat covering etc.
How many of these services are done in house and how many are farmed out I do not know ?
When using other services I tend to use specialist services, i.e. exhaust manufacturers for exhaust, chrome platers for chroming, wheel builders for wheels, brake liners for brake lining etc.
I always think you can try and do too many diverse things .
Personally I only recommend Villiers services for Villiers engine components, but I am sure they have some satisfied customers for their other services, unfortunately you only tend to hear from the unhappy ones.
I have been trading in the motorcycle parts business and I know it is difficult to have a 100% happy clientele, my particular grouse is when I supply what was asked for, only to find that it won't fit because the customer has specified the wrong thing, i.e. cables wont fit because the customer has non standard bars and levers, or piston number is quoted and the old one has been shortened to fit and the new unadulterated one is too long to fit in an engine it was never designed for.
Occasionally components were made wrongly even in the old days, only this month I supplied a piston for an AMC 25t to a member of this forum , new/ old stock and the cut-outs for the prongs on the head were misaligned and fouled the head.
It is not easy, and I am sure Villiers services are not trying to get things wrong, but occasionally it will happen.
JH


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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  Jack Clegg on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:38 pm

Very good advice John.

Just one thought: 144.83 in Blighty money is quite good for a complete exhaust. But how much was the postage I wonder? Just flogged an MSM to a bloke in Canada & that was 12 for under 200 grams. Plus Paypal charge 0.5% conversion/currency, plus their 3.4% of course. Not much room for profit methinks? No wonder Steve was asking for more.
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msm ????

Post  piston 197 on Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:59 pm

MSM?? isn't that a health food supplement, are you going into competition with Holland and Barrett ?
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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  Jack Clegg on Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:03 pm

Meritorious Service Medal to Staff Sjt. Eric Partington, 8th Canadian Mounted Rifles, LG immediate award 1918. Can't sell food to the Canucks.
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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  the-oz-slider on Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:46 pm

No, postage is extra at 60 lizzies.........
I really have no problem with the costs per se, except getting hit between the eyes after the "purchase price" money was taken out of my account in July was pretty classless, and very poor judgment....and I could go on but I wont.......
This will likely be the very last Villiers engined unit I'll ever touch, if only for the very obvious reasons noted above......
I will be so glad to see this nice little bike in the hands of my grand daughter when all this grief is done, maybe in a week or two.......
At the moment I'm just disgusted and depressed.....
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Post  myquest on Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:06 am

I'm having trouble too.
I've always found Steve Gollins and Lewis most helpful - but of late, I can get no response from emailed orders/chasers.
Although I have an account with them, it seems my request just floats off into space. The minor parts I ordered (gaskets and chaincase drain plugs etc) were needed last week but have now missed my 'window' as I'm out of the country this week.
Hope I'm not talking out of turn, but I think Stuart knows them quite well - perhaps he can suss out what's going on?
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Restoration almost finished

Post  the-oz-slider on Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:16 pm

Well, lo and behold the pipe and muffler turned up by UPS yesterday....seems like I may have overpaid for shipping but Im just so glad to get it that all else is irrelevant. Quality is very high and other than the end of the pipe at the engine not being big enough to hold the exhaust ring, its perfect. I had to weld a large washer onto the end of the pipe and then grind it down to hold the exhaust nut. Seems like a pretty bad error, but I dont care....
Now the bike wont start............
I'll post in the help wanted section........
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Re: Restoration almost finished

Post  Jack Clegg on Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:43 am

Sounds like you got the early inch & a quarter diameter pipe instead of the later type inch & half.
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