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Post  JIMBAR7749 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:39 pm

Hi John could you please verify that my frame number and engine number are correct? I believe it to be a 1961 cruiser 89. Frame number DH16665BW and Engine number 429D 11892. It is all black is this its correct colour on leaving the factory? I was told by the person I bought it of that it is an ex Sheffield police bike, would there be any way that I could verify this? The bike also had odd mudguards BSA I think I have ditched these and purchased mudguards to match the bike from Ebay, what colour should they be to suit this bike.
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Post  piston 197 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:43 pm

DH is a cruiser 89 from sept 61 to end of August 62 and is a 62 model,the BW after the No is the Black and White,the mudguards would have been white as would the lower of the tank,
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Post  JIMBAR7749 on Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:09 pm

Thanks John

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Cruiser 89 Colours

Post  MoscowFlyer on Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:23 pm

Here is a picture from the 1962 Cruiser 89 spares book, are these the correct colours for the bike in question? Mike

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Post  tbird on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:35 am

Hi All
As a matter of interest were all police 89's fitted with 4T engines, or were some 2T's.???
And were all police bikes fitted with the high output geny's.???

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 8:58 am

Well if this one is 1962 (frame No DH)the 4T wasn.t available then ?? and 429D is the correct coding for a 62 model 89,so if the police were using the 89 prior to the 64 model which was fitted with the 4T then yes it would have had a 2T,now i can't say the bike in question was definately a police bike,so can't answer your question 100%,but if it is indeed a 1962 police bike it can't have had a 4T and would probably not have had a high output generator or 12 volt as i believe rightly or wrongly this was only an option on the 4T ??
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Post  FB vincent on Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:37 pm

I know that Yorkshire (registration letters GVN) and Norfolk (registration letters AAH) police authorities purchased Cruiser 89's; in earlier years Cruiser 80's were based at Hatfield police station (Hertfordshire). One way of recognising a police bike is the non standard fuel tank - the filler was moved further back on the tank to allow for the fitting of a radio/telephone. My Cruiser 89 was new at Middlesborough and is fitted with 4T engine and high output generator (for the radio/telephone), but another of the GVN batch (which has also survived) was fitted from new with a standard 2T engine! The engine prefix of my 4T engine is 726E which does not appear on any of the published lists.

I would be interested to know if anyone can add to the list of police authorities who used Cruiser 89's.

I believe that the high output generator was also used for some Villiers powered 3 wheelers, where the additional headlamp would require a greater output than the standard arrangement.

If Jim Bull's Cruiser has the original registration number it might be possible to check the registration record - some of these survive.

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Post  JIMBAR7749 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:13 pm

Hi all, thanks for your interest in my enquiry, the registration for the cruiser is 143 ERC.
Are the frame and engine a genuine match on leaving the factory JH?

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Post  piston 197 on Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:42 pm

Sorry there are no factory records to consult,both were fitted to a 62 cruiser 89 so possibly ,but no way of being certain,
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Post  FB vincent on Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:08 pm

I believe that 'ERC' is a Derby issued series. For anyone interested in researching old vehicle registration details, the Kithead Transport Archive is a good place to start. Sandy Ross

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Post  JIMBAR7749 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:29 am

Thanks John
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Post  JIMBAR7749 on Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:32 am

FB vincent wrote:I believe that 'ERC' is a Derby issued series. For anyone interested in researching old vehicle registration details, the Kithead Transport Archive is a good place to start. Sandy Ross
Thanks for that Sandy. Jim

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Post  FB vincent on Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:07 am

FB vincent wrote:I know that Yorkshire (registration letters GVN) and Norfolk (registration letters AAH) police authorities purchased Cruiser 89's; in earlier years Cruiser 80's were based at Hatfield police station (Hertfordshire). One way of recognising a police bike is the non standard fuel tank - the filler was moved further back on the tank to allow for the fitting of a radio/telephone. My Cruiser 89 was new at Middlesborough and is fitted with 4T engine and high output generator (for the radio/telephone), but another of the GVN batch (which has also survived) was fitted from new with a standard 2T engine! The engine prefix of my 4T engine is 726E which does not appear on any of the published lists.

I would be interested to know if anyone can add to the list of police authorities who used Cruiser 89's.

I believe that the high output generator was also used for some Villiers powered 3 wheelers, where the additional headlamp would require a greater output than the standard arrangement.

If Jim Bull's Cruiser has the original registration number it might be possible to check the registration record - some of these survive.

For info, one of the ex  Norfolk Police 4T engined Cruiser Twins Reg AAH19B has turned up on Ebay (under the incorrect description of Francis Barnet). It has lost its police specification tank but retains the full fairing.

Sandy

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