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1956 Plover engine & Gearbox Numbers

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1956 Plover engine & Gearbox Numbers

Post  ramerry on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:08 am

Hi, Greetings to all, This my my first time on the list.
I have just purchased a 1956 plover that has been part restored at a swap meet in South Australia. It has a W frame No. so I presume it is a 1956 Model.
The Engine has the No. 295B over 10283. But the markings on the gearbox intrigue me. Stamped in large letters is VRT with what looks like a W.D. Arrow next to it, underneath are the No's 92 also in a large format. Can any one tell me if any of these bikes were used for Military Purpose's. It also has single seat as against the usual dual seat seen on most Plovers.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Post  piston 197 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:22 pm

The plover you mention is a model 73 these were supplied with a single seat( 1/2 seat),the model 78 that followed had a dual seat,normally the markings on the gearbox relate to the ratios and usually are in the order of STD and 17T,295B is the standard 30C villiers 147cc engine,usually gearboxes with numbers beginning with a "V" are 4 speed gearboxes fitted to trials bikes and are wide ratio ,these were never fitted to the plover,but somebody may have retro fitted one?? if the kickstart shaft is sleeved inside the gear change shaft,then it ia a 4 speed box someone has fitted to it,the 3 speed box normally fitted to the plover has separate shafts for the k/start and gear change about 2" apart and the 295B spec engine was a 3 speeder ,JH
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Post  ramerry on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:24 pm

Hi thanks for reply, it is a 3 speed gear box. I have uploaded a photo of the markings which might help my query.

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Re: 1956 Plover engine & Gearbox Numbers

Post  Malfisher on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:28 pm

That arrow type thing is a govt marking, many years ago I was a drop forger at the old Gilpins factory, and one of the itmes I forged were really big wood splitting wedges, and they had to be stamped with that mark for the govt.

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Post  piston 197 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:48 am

I have never seen a gearbox marked thus! my best guess is someone had some stamps and personalised his engine for identification purposes,as far as i know this type of bike was never used for any military purposes,and probably the significance is only known by the man who did the stamping,JH
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Another engine

Post  ramerry on Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:06 am

Thank you for your replys, there was another Villiers engine that came with the bike nearly identical but with different side cover has a No. 224A over the engine No. I was wondering what it was out of. Also will a James Cadet chain guard fit a Plover. This bike also come with twin alloy exhaust box with what i would call two small pea shooter pipes about a foot long, were these standard on a 56 Plover
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Re: 1956 Plover engine & Gearbox Numbers

Post  piston 197 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:18 am

224A does not appear in the known list of villiers engines, and there is quite a lot not liosted,but if it has the winged cover then it is earlier 10D 122cc (50mm bore) 6E 197cc (59mm bore) your exhaust as described is correct for a 56 plover 73,JH
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Post  ramerry on Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:05 am

Thanks again, it does have a winged side plate and a very blue crankshaft journal, by the look of the conrod in the box with it the engine must have stopped very quickly. Did you know if a James Cadet Chain guard will fit the Plover.
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Post  piston 197 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:59 pm

If the james cadet concerned is a swing-arm model with 150cc villiers engine,or AMC 15T engine( L15),then it will be the same,if from a plunger or rigid cadet or a M15 or M16 with AMC engine,then it will not!likewise chainguard from plover 73,78 and 86 are interchangeable,JH
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Manual for 1956 Plover

Post  ramerry on Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:56 am

Hi, once again thank for the info it gives a few different avenues to look down. The other engine that came with the bike i think is a 10D as it only has a 50mm bore. Where would be the best place to obtain a manual for the 56 Plover, I have a Villiers manual for the 30c but I can not seem to find one for the bike itself. I noticed in the Villiers manual that it shows two wiring diagrams one for direct wiring & one for rectifier & battery, was the plover only direct wiring or were there any models with a battery.
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Post  piston 197 on Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:11 pm

You could have direct lighting or pay the extra and have battery and rectified lighting,one of the options listed along with screen,rear damper, panniers etc,JH
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