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Starting a F-B Falcon, procedure, tricks, etc.

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Starting a F-B Falcon, procedure, tricks, etc.

Post  FronkMctagget on Fri Apr 29, 2011 5:57 pm

G'day all,

My first foray into vintage bikes has turned out to be a beautiful '58 Falcon; 8E Villiers 197 engine.

My experience with motorcycles basically involves Australian Honda Postie bikes (Almost nothing can go wrong!) and my '09 Royal Enfield G5 UCE. Which is pathetically easy. Almost disappointingly so!

The dealer I bought this from out of Melbourne is great, honest, and has a good team. Before put my money down and had it shipped to Newcastle (AU), I'd seen them get this beauty started in one kick.

My problem is a lack of a manual, a lack of knowledge of the 'black art' of starting such an old machine, and a hesitance to leave it all to complete guesswork. Since it arrived today, a friend and I managed to get it going twice from a rolling start. At the dealers, who specialise in old British bikes they were able to get it to idle after one or two kicks.

Over the next few days/weeks I intend on sending in my application for the F-B owners club, but I really would love some help starting the bike. I must admit, it's possibly the best anti-theft/keyless entry I've ever come across! Nobody I know around here really knows much about anything but sports bikes or Harleys.

So, the weather here in Newcastle, Australia now is between about 20-ish C during the day, and perhaps a low of 15. Not terribly cold.

What's the best way to use the choke? All on? What's that little metal button thing in the fuel line which says something like 'push for on?' (too dark to check now) What would the ideal way to kick it? Some slow kicks to get the strokes in the right place before starting propper? Is there a reason the switch for the Lucas electrics has the same amp reading at the two extreme positions (far left, far right), or is that nothing to do with starting?

As I said, she's in great condition, I've witnessed her idle after one or two kicks by folk who are in the know, but far away from where I'm living now.

Guess I'm rambling a bit too much, but I'd love to work this all out. If anyone can help and give advice, I'd be a very happy fellow. The two times it ran from a rolling start, I couldn't help myself from grinning ear to ear, and letting the sounds sink in...

Many thanks,

James MacIntyre

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Post  piston 197 on Fri Apr 29, 2011 9:45 pm

The choke mechanism on the 58 should be a weak/rich lever on the handlebars which raises and lowers the needle in the carburettor.From cold turn on the fuel tap ("press for on") set the choke lever to rich (tight cable) press the "tickler button" on the carburettor till the carb floods fuel out around the "tickler button",then kick to start on a low throttle opening,if fails try again,if continues to fail swear a lot and give up !
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Post  Malfisher on Fri Apr 29, 2011 10:11 pm

I would imagine theyre all a little bit different, but my 10E Falcon starts best from cold this way: tickler till you see petrol, no choke, no throttle, kick it and it goes 1st or second time. Hot starts are (now) the same but obviously no tickler. I do have a tickover set, before that when there was no tickover I had to just crack the throttle open for it to start.

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Post  FronkMctagget on Fri Apr 29, 2011 11:58 pm

Many thanks! Silly me. Had everything worked out last night aside from the tickler. Well, it was night time and it was on the other side of the bike. Kicking myself for missing something so obvious.

Starts first or second kick now, idles beautifully! Time for a ride, time to get used to mushy gears with many false neutrals now.

Cheers,

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Post  Malfisher on Sat Apr 30, 2011 9:14 am

Is it a 3 speed or a 4 speed James? Im not a fan of my 3 speed but thats only because theres a massive gap between 1st and 2nd gear, but, I do have to say it's a very nice and precise gearchange, not any false neutrals so far at least.

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Post  FronkMctagget on Sat Apr 30, 2011 10:32 am

3 speed. I guess it really just takes getting used to. Will need to spend time on that. It certainly doesn't have that obvious 'donk' or 'click' when you shift that my far more recent Royal Enfield has, making it feel a bit mushy.

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Post  Malfisher on Sat Apr 30, 2011 12:09 pm

You have the latest unit construction Enfield yes? Have you ever tried one with the old grease-filled Albion 4 speed? They can make the little 3-speed on the Villiers look very good. Laughing

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